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Avarre · Oct 25, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

People still take others seriously in those tones? It's called a hyperbole Sek, I'm not mocking your capabilities.

And yes, the difficulty and effort applied do matter. If it's just casually trekking an area, especially as each boss has a different route, then I don't consider it as such.

Exceptions to the rule are made for Tahnnakai and Sunjiang, which are a pain, always, because the same thing so many times is just aggrivating.

JR · Oct 25, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by 9th Requiem

Where is the line drawn, exactly? You could say of a particular athlete in a sporting event "He doesn't have skill, he's just been in a lot of matches. That's why his team wins a lot."

No.

If that athelete is competing at a high level in their sport, then they are obviously skilled.

Put that in a GvG environment: If that player is competing at a high level in GvG, they are obviously skilled.

Both statements are correct, the problem is the Champion title does not reflect that.

You get one point per win whether you are a rank 200 guild that has Ranger spiked their way up the ladder, playing against teams just inside the 1200+ rating mark. You get one point per win if you are a rank 12 guild playing against the rest of the top 20. So for some players the points mean something, for some players the points mean nothing.

You also keep those points forever, so eventually no matter how bad you are you will scrape out a title from it just from repetitive play.

Champion points do not show that you are competing at a high level. They just show that you are competing.

Malice Black · Oct 25, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Nothing in this game requires any great amount of skill.

/End of story

Jetdoc · Oct 25, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

Nothing in this game requires any great amount of skill.

/End of story

The members of iQ, EviL and War Machine would tend to differ, IMO.

Avarre · Oct 25, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

No title in this game requires any great amount of skill.

/End of story

Fixed imo.

Malice Black · Oct 25, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Time spent does not equal skill...everything in this game is about time spent and practice.

Anyone can run 10,000 chests, the builds are posted here (no thinking required) all it requires is TIME.

Too many examples to post.

JR · Oct 25, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

everything in this game is about time spent and practice.

Surely to become skilled you have to practice?

With your attitude, everything in life is time spent. "Christ, I could be an olympic class marathon runner, if only I had spent that time doing it..."

The difference between the top 20 GvG guilds and your average player is that they have practiced longer and harder than anyone else, and have put more effort into understanding game and skill mechanics. Not to mention the general competitive attitude.

Yes, it is technically time spent in one aspect. It is also a measure of aptitude and intelligence, and partly down to your personality.

Seron · Oct 25, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

Time spent does not equal skill...everything in this game is about time spent and practice.

Anyone can run 10,000 chests, the builds are posted here (no thinking required) all it requires is TIME.

Too many examples to post.

to have opened 5000-10000 chests does not mean you copied a build here, it means you were doing it far before there were builds here and perhaps the person who posted a build on running COPIED your build and posted it here after watching you.

i can say with assurance i was one of the first elementalist runners around, after running for a long time now i've seen more and more elementalist runners popping up, all of them knowing me and having seen my build whilst running, i simply ask them to not post any builds, however, there is always 1 person who wants attention.

as an elementalist it requires a lot of thinking, the build i have isn't exceptional, in fact it's quite basic and easily overloooked (or was at least). You have to time things perfectly or you get interupted, diverted, whatever else you can think of since it's a encahntment/spell and not a instant stance such as the warriors. When you say treasure hunting has no skill, try other classes besides the warrior/ranger.

Carinae · Oct 25, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

My thoughts on titles: People are getting all upset comparing titles with each other, as if it was some kind of PvE Ladder. They are there for fun and personal achievement, get a grip people. Titles are something to do when you're bored looking for something to do.

That said I do have a few gripes about the title system:

1) Wisdom - This is the lamest title in that it correlates to NOTHING that matters in the game...not builds, not skill, not technique, not effort..... it only measures money. It would be better to just award a title for having 1M gold in storage...and equally pointless.

ID, ID, ID, ID, ID, Phew hard work, ID, ID, ID, ID, ....

The Wisdom title should be removed, as it gives some the illusion of being a real title.

2) Drunkard - Another pointless money-sink title. I don't mind the Drunkard title, but just like Lucky/Unlucky it should NOT count towards KoaBD! It's especially insulting that Drunkard DOES count, and Skill Hunter DOES NOT (yet)

3) Survivor - Existing characters cannot get this, which destroys it's validity IMHO. Think people would scream if Anet added a "Highest Level Minion" title and lockedout the other classes? Tier 1 starts at 14 DM....

Where are the QUESTING titles?
Where are the VS MONSTER titles? (Killed 10,000 Charr, or Skeletons, or Demons, or Plants....)
Where are the HA titles? (Longest HA win streak? Fewest deaths in a game/streak? ...)

The whole system seems to have started with a good intention and was then handed to the junior intern programmer down the hall, who just came over from WoW.

Kakumei · Oct 25, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

imo

okay i'm biased whatever